Sunday, March 05, 2006

Conditioned and unconditioned, with and without effluents

4)
Phenomena are with effluents and without effluents.
Apart from the path, the conditioned
are with effluents. Why? Those
will always increase effluvia.

5)
Without effluents: the truth of the path,
and also the three kinds of unconditioned;
space and the two cessations.
Now then, space is unhindered.

6)
What is cessation by individual analysis?
It is individual separation.
Permanent hindrance to arising
is the other cessation without individual analysis.

7)
Also those conditioned phenomena,
the five aggregates of matter and so on,

6 comments:

Malcolm said...

Yup, you are right.

Fixed.

Malcolm said...

NaropaMarpa:


I understand that the antarbhava (ghandarva) is supposed to take on the form the the future body of -rebirth. Can these birth marks be a remnant of the past lives? By means of what mechanism? is there any sutra or scriptures that speak in this "phenomenon"? is this the physical manifestation of the Yogacarin view of "store-consciousness"--alaya-vijnana?


I am afraid this question is about six months premature. We will be discussing this extensively in chapter three.

N

Malcolm said...


To what extent is Kosa or the Abhidharma studied in the Tibetan tradition?


It is one of the thirteen traditional commentaries which forms the basis for a khenpo degree. So I would say it is studied quite widely. But since people do not really practice according to this system very much it is mostly an academic topic.

N

Dorje Shedrub said...

Loppon-la,

I want to make sure that I am understanding two words. I am understanding , effluents to mean "that which produces 'cause and effect'" and effluvia as "cause and effect." If this is not right, please correct me.

DS

Malcolm said...


Although the kosa doesnt have that 8th , I believe that the kosa deals with the first five consciousness.


The kosha deals with the six consciousnesses. The seventh and the eighth are a special teaching of the Yogacara school, which we will not cover here in any detail.

Malcolm said...


...effluents to mean "that which produces 'cause and effect'" and effluvia as "cause and effect." If this is not right, please correct me.


Effluent means "To flow out" and is a quite literal translations of zag bcas/sasrava.

An effluent, in modern parlance, is liquid waste which flows into the river or the sea. Often, translators translate zag bcas as "defiled"-- this refers to the three afflictions. I am using the term "effluent" and "effluvia [plural]" for this purpose since I think it is the most accurate.